Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Humanifesto

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The result of the debate was delete. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 05:00, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Humanifesto

Unknown Canadian band whose self-released CD isn't even for sale yet. [1] Current editor appears to be a member of the band. --Viriditas | Talk 15:08, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

• Comment:The band is unknown to the previous user. Wouldn't this be the point of an encyclopedia? to provide information about an unknown topic? Also, the article clearly states that they have released both a live demo, and a track on a compilation cd, and also says that their studio album is ready for release. --Vince Talk 2:19pm, 19 May 2005 (EST)

Unknown as in not notable. Google test turns up nothing noteworthy.--Viriditas | Talk 23:20, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

• Delete: Independently made record independently distributed. Just a gigging band. Good for them, but an encyclopedia is neither an advertising medium nor a primary research tool. We require validation and substantiation of notability prior to discussion. (In my day, board tapes were not followed by self-produced records. Self-produced records were demos. These days, CD production is so cheap that bands are handing their demos out as "the first album.") Geogre 18:54, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. An encyclopedia is not a Public Relations firm. RickK 21:43, May 19, 2005 (UTC)
• Comment: I don't understand the hostility. I was merely putting up an entry for a band in my local scene. I figured if anywhere, an open source encyclopedias users wouldn't put such heavy emphasis on being signed to a label. Geroge, I'm not sure when "your time" was, but most of the influential punk bands in the scene self-produce many of their albums. Notable examples are Minor Threat, Bad Religion, SNFU, The Dead Kennedys, The Vandals, among others. I don't see how this page differs from that of Metallica or any other "major" band out there, other than possibly a larger interest in their pages. But if traffic is the criteria for a page here, this isn't much of a resource.Equal

I apologize for myself if I appeared hostile. I agree with you that folks on VfD can be that way. Your impulse to inform was great and not to be discounted. The reason the article fails is simply that, to be encyclopedic content, a topic should be notable and verifiable. When a band is unsigned and unreleased, there is little way for people to independently verify the claims of the article. Since all encyclopedias are secondary sources of information, we shy away from announcements and first-hand accounts wherever possible. Again, I'd like to say that you shouldn't take this hard or take the snippish tone of comments as any reflection on you or your participation. Geogre 15:30, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

• Delete, article does not establish notability, wikipedia is not a fortune teller. Megan1967 06:58, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete non notable. Leanne 05:11, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

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