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History[edit]

Because the exact cause of the conflict is unknown, an unbiased account was added to the article. (Jasmineer (talk) 22:16, 2 April 2017 (UTC)) The Nuer-Dinka conflict needs to be explained in more depth. This article should include the origins and what is occurring today. Jasmineer (talk) 02:45, 11 February 2017 (UTC) There needs to be more information about their history. Bbutler20 00:38, 4 March 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbutler20 (talkcontribs) Add more information about their history and discuss more about what from their traditions are still occurring today ((Agrimmer1)Reply[reply]

There's a LOT of racism in this article, and use of obscenities. Just had to delete the 'they are mean people who like chicken' from the article. Can a moderator properly review this article?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.229.186.53 (talk) 17:47, 12 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Culture[edit]

In the Culture section of the article, there are no transitions from one topic to the next. It seems choppy. Jasmineer (talk) 02:45, 11 February 2017 (UTC) Also, the section about the resettlement of Nuer refugees in the United States can be expanded. There is a brief mention of this but no citation is provided. 2601:C8:0:8470:7C78:264A:5F68:61E0 (talk) 03:03, 11 February 2017 (UTC) Information on the impact of the oil economy on the Nuer since the 1980s can be added to the Culture tab. 2601:C8:0:8470:7C78:264A:5F68:61E0 (talk) 03:03, 11 February 2017 (UTC) There should be more detail here about how Nuer people only sacrificed their cattle and never killed them for other reasons.Bbutler20 00:35, 4 March 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbutler20 (talkcontribs) Reply[reply]

Removed a section of information in regards to Nuer refugees in the US because it did not have any citation. Then, added more information on the subject of Nuer refugees in the US citing from the book: Nuer-American Passages: Globalizing Sudanese Migration. Fam02 (talk) 01:15, 4 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Added the Kinship dynamics with blood relatives. Also added young girls getting married and what it entails Anene80 (talk) 13:19, 4 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nuer military and political leaders[edit]

This section does not provide much information about the significant leaders. Jasmineer (talk) 02:45, 11 February 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Naming Conventions[edit]

Citations are needed for a few of the bullet points.Jasmineer (talk) 02:45, 11 February 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Impact of Oil Economy on Nuer[edit]

Added this section because oil economy has played a role in the region and on Nuer since the 1970s. All the information of this section is from two books: Global Security Watch - Sudan, Lobban, Richard Andrew. and Nuer-American Passages: Globalizing Sudanese Migration, Shandy, Dianna J. Fam02 (talk) 01:23, 4 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The current wording of cleaning the Nuer people (to paraphrase) seems biased. Could anyone with any more information regarding this issue clarify it? Desdinova (talk) 19:18, 19 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Added some additional info, much more work required on the page. Desdinova (talk) 21:14, 19 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comments[edit]

Please don't take this page as being authoritive, My parents have a few of these people living with them, and I will hopefully be able to ask them to correct my perceptions AaronPeterson 23:21, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)

well organized?[edit]

The text argues for Nuer's superirority over the Dinka. This is explained as the Nuer are supposedly: "very well organized" . Contradictory, the ethnographical account a sentence later states an "anarchististic political organization." This should be resolved by refering to inner fragmentation of the Nuer in times of peace to the unity of the Nuer in times of war with non-kin. the preceding comment is by Daebwae - 16:49, 11 March 2006: Please sign your posts!

Nuer tribe[edit]

The Nuer people are known for their very tall stature, similar to the Dinka people. Many men and women are as much as 7 feet(210cm) tall with some even taller.

that picture is offensive[edit]

is there really nothing better?
la gaie 22:45, 10 August 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]
the picture you have here in your site is not a good picture. you want to show the Dinka tribe member as a slave to Nuer tribe member —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.0.155.115 (talkcontribs) 10:14, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Unless I am reading your comment incorrectly, this is what the caption already indicates (though I'm not sure anyone "wants" to show someone as a slave; maybe that was your point?). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:00, 5 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This may all be moot. As the uploader did not cite a source (nor a license) for the image, it is subject to deletion. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 19:32, 31 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Clarification?[edit]

"spent much of their time interacting with bordering groups"

Can someone use a different word than interacting here? Sounds like "raiding" might be a more accurate word, by the context after this sentence. Dean 23:52, 29 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bibliography[edit]

Someone posted a very lengthy bibliography, which I suspect was copied out of some library's catalog (and as such, I wonder if that constitutes a copyright violation). Anyway, it seems overly lengthy to include in the article; if some reader is sufficiently interested then she could search a library's catalog for these or other resources. In case someone decides the list is worthy of inclusion, I have already gone ahead and formatted it (see below), but I think it should be pared down. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 21:22, 12 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Further reading[edit]

  • Abusharaf, Rogaia (2002). Wanderings: Sudanese Migrants and Exiles in North America. Ithaca: Cornell University Press.
  • Beidelman, T. O. (1966) "The Ox and Nuer Sacrifice: Some Freudian Hypotheses about Nuer Symbolism". Man (n.s.) 1:453-467.
  • Beidelman, T. O. (1968) "Some Nuer Notions of Nakedness, Nudity, and Sexuality". Africa 38:113-131.
  • Evans-Pritchard, E. E. (1987) "Kinship and the Local Community among the Nuer". In African Systems of Kinship and Marriage. A.R. Radcliffe-Brown and Daryll Forde, Eds. London: KPI Ltd.
  • (1940) The Nuer: A Description of the Modes of Livelihood and Political Institutions of a Nilotic People. Oxford: Clarendon Press.
  • (1940) "The Nuer of the Southern Sudan". In African Political Systems. M. Fortes and E.E. Evans-Prtitchard, eds. Pp. 272-296. London: Oxford University Press.
  • (1951) Kinship and Marriage Among the Nuer. Oxford: Clarendon Press.
  • (1951) "Kinship and Local Community among the Nuer". In African Systems of Kinship and Marriage. A.R. Radcliffe-Brown and D. Forde, eds. Pp. 360-391. London: Oxford University Press.
  • (1956) Nuer Religion. Oxford: Clarendon Press.
  • Falge, Christiane (1997). The Nuer as Refugees: A Study on Social Adaptation. M.A. Thesis. Addis Abeba University.
  • Feyissa, Dereje (2003). Ethnic Groups and Conflict: The Case of Anywass-Nuer relations. Unpublished PhD Dissertation in Social Anthropology, Max Planck Institute for Social Anthropology, Martin Luther University, Halle-Wittenberg, Germany.
  • Holtzman, Jon (2000) Nuer Journeys Nuer Lives: Sudanese in Minnesota. Needham Heights, MA: Allyn and Bacon.
  • Howell, Paul (1954) A Manual of Nuer Law. London: Oxford University Press.
  • Hutchinson, Sharon (1996) Nuer Dilemmas: Coping with Money, War and the State. Berkeley: University of California Press.
  • (1980) "Relations between the Sexes among the Nuer: 1930". Africa 50:371-387.
  • (1985) "Changing Concepts of Incest among the Nuer". American Ethnologist 12:625-641.
  • (1990) "Rising Divorce among the Nuer, 1936-1983". Man (n.s.)25: 593-411.
  • (1991) "War through the Eyes of the Dispossessed: Three Stories of Survival". Disasters 15: 166-171.
  • (1992) "The Cattle of Money and the Cattle of Girls among the Nuer, 1930-1983". American Ethnologist 19: 294-316.
  • (1992) "'Dangerous to Eat': Rethinking Polution States among the Nuer of Sudan". Africa 62:490-504.
  • (1994) "On The Nuer Conquest". Current Anthropology 35: 643-651.
  • Johnson, Douglas H. (2003) The Root Causes of Sudan’s Civil Wars. Bloomington: Indiana University Press.
  • (1994) Nuer Prophets: A History of Prophecy from the Upper Nile in the Nineteenth and Twentieth Centuries. Oxford: Clarendon Press.
  • (1982) "Evans-Pritchard, the Nuer, and the Sudan Political Service". African Affairs 81:231-246.
  • (1988) "The Southern Sudan" The Minority Rights Group Report. No. 78.
  • Jok, Madut Jok (2001) War and Slavery in Sudan. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press.
  • Jok, Jok Madut, and Sharon Hutchinson (1999). "Sudan’s Prolonged Second Civil War and the Militarization of Nuer and Dinka Ethnic Identities". African Studies Review 42 (2): 125-145.
  • Scroggins, Deborah (2002) Emma’s War. New York: Pantheon Books.
  • Seligman, C.G., and B.Z. Seligman (1932) Pagan Tribes of the Nilotic Sudan. London: G. Routledge and Sons.
  • Shandy, Dianna J. (2003) "Transnational Linkages between Refugees in Africa and in the Diaspora". Forced Migration Review. Volume 16 (3) 7-8.
  • (2002) "Nuer Christians in America", Journal of Refugee Studies special issue on Religion and Forced Migration, volume 15 (2) 213-221.
  • (2001) "Routes and Destinations: Secondary Migration of Nuer Refugees in the United States". In Negotiating Transnationalism. Committee on Refugees and Immigrants Selected Papers, Volume VIII. Pp. 9-31. MaryCarol Hopkins and Nancy Wellmeier, eds. Arlington, VA: American Anthropological Association.
  • Southhall, Aidan (1976) "Nuer and Dinka are People: Ecology, Ethnicity, and Logical Possibility". Man (n.s.) 11: 463-491.

Nuer Origins[edit]

The history section in this article makes no mention of where the Nuer were from or how long they have been in Sudan. Any information available? Thomas Lessman (talk) 21:14, 19 November 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nuer are very resfected[edit]

As some people mentioned also Nuer are very resfected in various way, i.e Nuer can accomodate their enemy when he/she come to their home/house, and also Nuer can raid their enemy and bring with them along the children and old age and treat them as normal people as well as Nuer members when peace reveal the those who wish to go back can go freely without any exchange!

Thanks Samuel Kuyee Juang Southern Sudan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.45.43.61 (talk) 12:07, 14 January 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

NPOV[edit]

The entire history section sounds like generalizations and myths about the Nuer. There are no sources, and I doubt if respectable sources can be found for some of the claims here. This section needs a complete overhaul. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.15.43.61 (talk) 18:30, 3 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Lou-Nuer?[edit]

Although "Lou-Nuer" redirects to this page, there is no explanation. Snori (talk) 16:42, 25 September 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

All Nuer coming from Nuer Bul Lord simon (talk) 06:52, 2 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

removing POV tag with no active discussion per Template:POV[edit]

I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:

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Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 01:15, 30 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Where?[edit]

In which region of South Sudan do the Nuer live?

Anonymous96.226.22.43 (talk) 18:42, 11 April 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Introductory Paragraph[edit]

The last sentence of the introductory paragraph reads weirdly. Also, I like the section headers and organization in the article.Bbutler20 00:32, 4 March 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbutler20 (talkcontribs)

Nothing was missed! This article included everything relevant that we learned in class and relevant information from the readings we have been assigned thus far. An exemplary article made by such illustrious scholars. Bravo colleagues, bravo Ddanner2 (talk) 04:15, 6 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Introduction[edit]

The Nuer People introduction needs more content added to the first paragraph to concretely describe the Nuer People. More information was added to the introduction of the article. Aaron Richards (talk) 17:36, 1 April 2017 (UTC)Aaron RichardsAaron Richards (talk) 17:36, 1 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Impact of Oil Mining on Nuer People[edit]

I had added a lot of relevant information on the SPL/A and Chevron's roles as well as other groups on the displacement of the Nuer people and the impact of the oil mining operations, it was removed by a bot for copyright infringement as it is sourced from other websites (whose references were listed). This information still needs to be added to the page, perhaps on a new article. Desdinova (talk) 15:42, 30 July 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]